Listen, if there’s tape in that debate that Kaine finds it useful to show — show it! I don’t care about debate rules. I don’t care about girlie-man “no-use” agreements. Kick him in the balls.
Let Jerry Kilgore sue Tim Kaine. I’m sure the public will give a rat’s ass about some stupid legal mumbo-jumbo involving small print on contracts. Oh, and when Jerry wants to serve the summons, he can have it delivered to the Governor’s mansion.
Hell yeah. Kilgore made an ass of himself in all three debates, particularly in the first two. He had some mighty low moments in the third debate, too. If every voter in Virginia saw the debates, Kaine would win handily. So Kaine should make sure that every voter in Virginia sees the highlights.
Forget the debates, all Kaine has to do is run that ad on http://www.therealjerrykilgore.com/.
“We didn’t have a single jailbreak ALL DAY! It’s a positive day for Virginia.” Jerry Kilgore
Besides, he looks like a gay 70’s pornstar in that friggin clip.
You’re right, Josh — that video clip has it all.
I want a dozen 15- to 30-second ads, each with a little embarrassing bit of Kilgore in it.
Man, this is ugly. I miss Virginia, but not Virginia politics.
I have no duty to you, Mr. Jaquith, on this issue.
PLAY IT PLAY IT PLAY IT.
waldo-
you might be glad to know that I printed out a copy of your response to the attack ads and put it in Tim Kaine’s hands about an hour ago. I also mentioned you by name and he said that he does read your blog about once a week.
Terrific luncheon- **Wes Clark** , my man, was there. Tim looked and sounded quite confident.
He said that he had a response to the ads….but if it is as low key as you mentioned, maybe he will take your advice on the preachin’ and spittin’
Best-Phyllis
It’s no time for mild-mannered ads. This will take a full-blown effort to demolish every single attack from Kilgore. Wipe the floor with him. As Jon Stewart says, “he’s got nothin.” So, he resorts to this (eg, death penalty and fraudulent gas tax ads). Systematically take the Duck out. Leave No Pond Scum Behind. Then after a 7-10 day “shock and awe” go forward with the Kaine agenda. This is not “just” a governor’s race, it’s a time to turn back the dark-ages Kilgore-ites, who are good for nothin, except agitating people to hate, vote their emotions, but against their own interests.
you might be glad to know that I printed out a copy of your response to the attack ads and put it in Tim Kaine’s hands about an hour ago.
Thanks, Phyllis! I figured with your man Wes Clark in the neighborhood, you wouldn’t be too far behind. :) I’m sure you must have enjoyed yourself.
Kilgore is simply doing what he has been told to do ….always has, always will.
Nothing is Holy for either Howell or Kilgore, nothing.
These actions are are the antithesis of Christ’s teachings.
Ever wonder what might have been had Pontius Pilate a moral objection to the death penalty?
Jesus Christ Himself forgave those who crucified him and begged the Heavenly Father for Mercy.
“Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do…”
Clearly, Kilgore missed the part of Sunday School that explained the Golden Rule. And, frankly, I think Kilgore would be willing to crucify Jesus if he thought it might win him the Governorship….
I think Kilgore would be willing to crucify Jesus if he thought it might win him the Governorship.
Oh. Damn. My head snapped back in horror when I read that, which is how I know you’ve struck gold. Now there’s an attack ad.
Yikes.
Liberals advocate lawbreaking to win election
I see the liberals have sunk to new lows in their efforts to win political elections. Waldo Jaquith, the leading liberal Virginia blogger, has advocated on his blog that his candidate for governor, Tim Kaine, break the law in order to win. He suggests that Tim Kaine should violate the signed contract that specifies debate footage not be used in political ads.
Hans, I think you’re over your head in the matter of the law. I’m not advocating breaking the law — it’s merely a private agreement between two parties. If I have a user agreement for my site that says “no cursing,” and you swear, you haven’t “broken the law. ” You’ve violated a private contract with me. It’s best not to confuse the two.
Hmm… Waldo, your pingbacks aren’t working…
But it’s still a legal contract that is legally binding. Are you suggesting that people are not legally bound to fulfill contracts?
Give me a break. The public has an over-riding right to know what Jerry Kilgore is like and what he is up to. If the corporation “owning” it won’t use it more widely than to bury it on a night with three heavily watched show, but wants the footage in the can anyway, their motive is obvious–to stonewall and facilitate the loser Kilgore’s campaign. There’s a public interest in voters seeing this footage. The fact that Jerry wants it otherwise says it all.
KathyinBlacksburg: Ah, so the ends justify the means?
Your user agreement for this site (Indeed you don’t seem to follow it for yourself or enforce it; beside the point, I know.) is of questionable legality/binding and is in the legal league of EULA’s. It is especially dubious in light of the user not being required to view and to click agreement before viewing the site.
A signed contract is in an entirely different league.
Waldo, your pingbacks aren’t working…
Yeah, it’s annoying. I have aggressive trackback filtering, to keep out the spam, but it seems to keep out some legitimate trackbacks. I find it particularly frustrating because I prefer trackbacks to comments — I like that people read a comment here, for instance, and follow the link back to your site. It makes for a better digital ecosystem.
Your user agreement for this site (Indeed you don’t seem to follow it for yourself or enforce it; beside the point, I know.) is of questionable legality/binding and is in the legal league of EULA’s.
I don’t actually have a user agreement — it’s hypothetical. :) But I’m afraid you’re wrong, but I wouldn’t expect you or anybody other than a few thousand people in the state to know otherwise. Virginia passed the Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act (UCITA) in ~2000, making us just one of two states in the nation (last I checked) to sign onto this standard. It makes click-wrap contracts, even the fine print on websites that says “in using the website you agree to this,” wholly binding. I think it’s a bad law, and it shouldn’t have passed — I lobbied hard against it, but I did a terrible job of it. :)
Does this law apply to contracts only on-page or to off-page “no-see-before-use” agreements as well?
As proposed, it applied to contracts that don’t have to be clicked through or reproduced in whole on the screen. While it’s possible that it was changed before it became law, the few of us who lobbied against it were so disastrously unsuccessful that I’d be shocked to find that it had been weakened at all.
The only reason that I know that is because the fact that they didn’t have to be read was precisely what I didn’t like about UCITA. My (website development) clients liked it, though, because some of them felt that having to demonstrate that people had read the entire agreement was a real obstacle to getting people to use their websites. And I have to agree that they had a point there. It’s a real hassle to track whether somebody has visited your site before and, if not, require that they read and agree to a contract first. OTOH, it’s even worse for the user to agree to contracts without even knowing that they’ve agreed to it, with nothing more than a mouse click.
UCITA was bad for consumers.
Very interesting and something (UCITA) that I would indeed be against. However, it was a mere bunny trail.
Are you really interested in calling for a gubernatorial candidate to break a signed contract? If a gubernatorial candidate breaks a signed contract, do you think he will hesitate to break a spoken, unwritten campaign promise?
Are you really interested in calling for a gubernatorial candidate to break a signed contract?
Yup. Because Kilgore’s only recourse will be to a) whine or b) sue, either of which will only reinforce that he’s a whiner. It’s a win/win. The video from those debates is powerful enough that it’s totally worth it.
If a gubernatorial candidate breaks a signed contract, do you think he will hesitate to break a spoken, unwritten campaign promise?
I don’t think any candidate will ever hesitate (long) to break a campaign promise. Both Kilgore and Kaine have made plenty of promises that I surely hope they’ll break, because they’re just plain bad ideas. Some of ’em they don’t know are bad ideas yet, others they know are bad ideas, but they know that they’ll make people want to vote for them.
The issue of the contract is sufficiently abstract that the Kilgore campaign can’t turn it into a negative for Kaine that would hurt Kaine more than video of Kilgore would hurt Kilgore.
Hey, I’m glad you think that way and I hope Kaine follows your advice.
Hey, I didn’t sign that contract!
Nor did I ever sign Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America.”
That “contract” re: footage from the debates, is ridiculous! BOTH Kaine and Kilgore have chosen to be public figures and as such BOTH have — in the name of DEMOCRACY — a duty to fully inform their bosses — WE, THE PEOPLE — why they think they should be elected Governor. Already, Kilgore is demonstrating a moral arrogance that belittles the idea that this is a “government of the people, for the people, by the people..” This so-called “contract” insults the dream of Democracy and the intelligence of the citizens of Virginia.
Kilgore’s repeated efforts to duck and derail debates and his ability to LIE, outright LIE! suggests that Kilgore must have been absent the day his history teacher talked about the duties of citizens in a DEMOCRACY and why it is important to remember, as Abraham Lincoln knew, what makes America so special: ” …our forefathers brought forth on this continent a nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.”
Kilgore is no leader. He is a misleader.
…a NEW NATION, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.”