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	<title>Comments on: Palin: Five colleges in six years.</title>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20964</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right up there with my &quot;she killed a man&quot; theory, I think.</description>
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		<title>By: hank</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20963</link>
		<dc:creator>hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jumping around to so many schools could be indicative of mania or depression, among other things.</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20959</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work with a girl who did her four years at Occidental, and she&#039;d get pissed at me for saying this, but Obama transfaring after a year to Columbia is definitely a case of &quot;transfering up.&quot;  Palin made a bunch of lateral moves, by contrast.

It would be interesting why she did that.  Despite Duane&#039;s assertion that people can identify with that, the plain and simple truth is that among people who attend and finish college, most people don&#039;t spend six years at five colleges getting a four year degree in one of the three majors they try.  If only because even if you have the money, it&#039;s a pain in the ass trying to get all of your credits to transfer over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work with a girl who did her four years at Occidental, and she&#8217;d get pissed at me for saying this, but Obama transfaring after a year to Columbia is definitely a case of &#8220;transfering up.&#8221;  Palin made a bunch of lateral moves, by contrast.</p>
<p>It would be interesting why she did that.  Despite Duane&#8217;s assertion that people can identify with that, the plain and simple truth is that among people who attend and finish college, most people don&#8217;t spend six years at five colleges getting a four year degree in one of the three majors they try.  If only because even if you have the money, it&#8217;s a pain in the ass trying to get all of your credits to transfer over.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20957</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J., I didn&#039;t say that I liked it, just that &quot;it&#039;s the sort of explanation that I&#039;d hoped somebody might volunteer.&quot; I hope that others might offer other, competing explanations that also fit the facts. Biden doesn&#039;t get a pass because he&#039;s a &lt;em&gt;guy&lt;/em&gt;—it&#039;s because he&#039;s a &lt;em&gt;Democrat&lt;/em&gt;. ;) Though, FWIW, I&#039;m not sure how much there is to debate. Biden admits he lifted chunks of prose from another article, for which he failed the class, presumably learning why one mustn&#039;t plagiarize, or at least not to get caught. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J., I didn&#8217;t say that I liked it, just that &#8220;it&#8217;s the sort of explanation that I&#8217;d hoped somebody might volunteer.&#8221; I hope that others might offer other, competing explanations that also fit the facts. Biden doesn&#8217;t get a pass because he&#8217;s a <em>guy</em>—it&#8217;s because he&#8217;s a <em>Democrat</em>. ;) Though, FWIW, I&#8217;m not sure how much there is to debate. Biden admits he lifted chunks of prose from another article, for which he failed the class, presumably learning why one mustn&#8217;t plagiarize, or at least not to get caught. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: jmcnamera</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20951</link>
		<dc:creator>jmcnamera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who cares?  Strange Waldo that you like Martha&#039;s explanation - its just speculation.  Should we have a post about Biden&#039;s college past including plagarism or does he get a pass since he&#039;s a guy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who cares?  Strange Waldo that you like Martha&#8217;s explanation &#8211; its just speculation.  Should we have a post about Biden&#8217;s college past including plagarism or does he get a pass since he&#8217;s a guy?</p>
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		<title>By: David Sewell</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20935</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do I get any points for having in common with Barack Obama the fact that I started my college career at Occidental in Los Angeles and then transferred? (After my freshman year, for a fairly different reason: L.A. is where I grew up, and I was chafing to see more of the world, so I transferred to another small college back East.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I get any points for having in common with Barack Obama the fact that I started my college career at Occidental in Los Angeles and then transferred? (After my freshman year, for a fairly different reason: L.A. is where I grew up, and I was chafing to see more of the world, so I transferred to another small college back East.)</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20929</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s actual for Palin but when pageant girls are always in pageants they don&#039;t always attend college regularly. I have taught girls who were pageant queens and some never finished college but were constantly enrolled!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s actual for Palin but when pageant girls are always in pageants they don&#8217;t always attend college regularly. I have taught girls who were pageant queens and some never finished college but were constantly enrolled!</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20926</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really interesting, Martha—that&#039;s just the sort of explanation that I&#039;d hoped somebody might volunteer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really interesting, Martha—that&#8217;s just the sort of explanation that I&#8217;d hoped somebody might volunteer.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Uphoff</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20924</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Uphoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J. Tyler Ballance,

Nice writeup!

Obscure fact:

It is (or at least it was in the 1980&#039;s) possible--albeit very rare--for someone to graduate from the Naval Academy and choose to accept a commission in a service other than the Navy or Marine Corps (called an &quot;inter-service transfer&quot;).

I remember one such transfer while I was there: a Midshipman accepted an Air Force commission upon graduation.

This wouldn&#039;t really affect the joke though, as anyone graduating last in his/her class would not likely be considered for such a transfer.  Order of service selection (when you pick your career path--surface warfare, submarines, aviation, Marine Corps, etc.) is determined by your &quot;order of merit&quot; within your class, order of merit being a mash-up rank that includes academic GPA, conduct &amp; fitness scores, military evaluations, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Tyler Ballance,</p>
<p>Nice writeup!</p>
<p>Obscure fact:</p>
<p>It is (or at least it was in the 1980&#8217;s) possible&#8211;albeit very rare&#8211;for someone to graduate from the Naval Academy and choose to accept a commission in a service other than the Navy or Marine Corps (called an &#8220;inter-service transfer&#8221;).</p>
<p>I remember one such transfer while I was there: a Midshipman accepted an Air Force commission upon graduation.</p>
<p>This wouldn&#8217;t really affect the joke though, as anyone graduating last in his/her class would not likely be considered for such a transfer.  Order of service selection (when you pick your career path&#8211;surface warfare, submarines, aviation, Marine Corps, etc.) is determined by your &#8220;order of merit&#8221; within your class, order of merit being a mash-up rank that includes academic GPA, conduct &amp; fitness scores, military evaluations, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20923</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin was a &quot;pageant&quot; girl.Maybe she didn&#039;t go to school or switched schools to keep entering pageants.Pageant girls who say they are attending Radford or Tech take 1 or 2 classes and then drop out. Happens all the time.They take the scholarship $$ they win and transfer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin was a &#8220;pageant&#8221; girl.Maybe she didn&#8217;t go to school or switched schools to keep entering pageants.Pageant girls who say they are attending Radford or Tech take 1 or 2 classes and then drop out. Happens all the time.They take the scholarship $$ they win and transfer.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Tyler Ballance</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20921</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Tyler Ballance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 05:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perlogik:  

The whole joke goes like this: 

What do you call the person who graduates last in Med school? Doctor. What do you call the person who graduates last in Law school? Waiter.

(Because, so it has been said, if you don&#039;t finish high in your class at Law School, you may as well not have bothered).

As for the fellows who attend the Naval Academy, don&#039;t call them &quot;soldier&quot; unless you want a fight on your hands. Soldiers come from the Army. A current student at the Naval Academy is a Midshipman (although the worshipers of political correctness will want this to be Midship-person), the short, slang terms are Mids, Middy, Middie, etc. Both officers and enlisted personnel in the Navy will refer to themselves as &quot;Sailors&quot; although most reserve this term for those among the enlisted ranks. 

Also from the Naval Academy, comes many of our Marine Corps Officers. Don&#039;t call them soldiers, either. They are Marines, also known as Leathernecks, or Devil Dogs (and these are the nice names!)

Once someone is a graduate of the USNA (Naval Academy) they are typically commissioned as Officers in either the Marines, with the rank of Second Lieutenant or as Naval Officers at the rank of Ensign.

When you see USNA that refers to the Naval Academy. When you see USMA that refers to West Point, also known as U.S. Military Academy. 

The other service academies are the Air Force Academy, Coast Guard Academy, and the little known Merchant Marine Academy. The MMA is also in competition with several state and privately operated Merchant Mariner academies (Main Maritime, Mass Maritime, NY Maritime, Cal Maritime and Texas Maritime, to name a few).

If you have a talented son who is approaching college age, perhaps the best deal going is the Merchant Marine Academy (also known as King&#039;s Point). MMA students get a fully funded tuition ride and at the completion of the program they get a commission in the service of THEIR choice and have the OPTION of going on active service, or remaining in the Reserves, unlike the other federal academies that require a long stint on active duty. Furthermore, the MMA grads get a Third Mate&#039;s license, so if they want, they can serve at sea on a merchant vessel. This is in addition to a highly regarded degree in an engineering field or other area of study.

The MMA is a great program and I wished I had known about it in time to go there. I found out about the MMA while serving as a Propulsion Engineer on the USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63). While at sea, I met two Air Force officers who were on exchange tours aboard the Kitty. To my surprise, they both were MMA grads, who had then elected to go into the Air Force, where both had become pilots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perlogik:  </p>
<p>The whole joke goes like this: </p>
<p>What do you call the person who graduates last in Med school? Doctor. What do you call the person who graduates last in Law school? Waiter.</p>
<p>(Because, so it has been said, if you don&#8217;t finish high in your class at Law School, you may as well not have bothered).</p>
<p>As for the fellows who attend the Naval Academy, don&#8217;t call them &#8220;soldier&#8221; unless you want a fight on your hands. Soldiers come from the Army. A current student at the Naval Academy is a Midshipman (although the worshipers of political correctness will want this to be Midship-person), the short, slang terms are Mids, Middy, Middie, etc. Both officers and enlisted personnel in the Navy will refer to themselves as &#8220;Sailors&#8221; although most reserve this term for those among the enlisted ranks. </p>
<p>Also from the Naval Academy, comes many of our Marine Corps Officers. Don&#8217;t call them soldiers, either. They are Marines, also known as Leathernecks, or Devil Dogs (and these are the nice names!)</p>
<p>Once someone is a graduate of the USNA (Naval Academy) they are typically commissioned as Officers in either the Marines, with the rank of Second Lieutenant or as Naval Officers at the rank of Ensign.</p>
<p>When you see USNA that refers to the Naval Academy. When you see USMA that refers to West Point, also known as U.S. Military Academy. </p>
<p>The other service academies are the Air Force Academy, Coast Guard Academy, and the little known Merchant Marine Academy. The MMA is also in competition with several state and privately operated Merchant Mariner academies (Main Maritime, Mass Maritime, NY Maritime, Cal Maritime and Texas Maritime, to name a few).</p>
<p>If you have a talented son who is approaching college age, perhaps the best deal going is the Merchant Marine Academy (also known as King&#8217;s Point). MMA students get a fully funded tuition ride and at the completion of the program they get a commission in the service of THEIR choice and have the OPTION of going on active service, or remaining in the Reserves, unlike the other federal academies that require a long stint on active duty. Furthermore, the MMA grads get a Third Mate&#8217;s license, so if they want, they can serve at sea on a merchant vessel. This is in addition to a highly regarded degree in an engineering field or other area of study.</p>
<p>The MMA is a great program and I wished I had known about it in time to go there. I found out about the MMA while serving as a Propulsion Engineer on the USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63). While at sea, I met two Air Force officers who were on exchange tours aboard the Kitty. To my surprise, they both were MMA grads, who had then elected to go into the Air Force, where both had become pilots.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kachur</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/09/palin-college-hopping/#comment-20920</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kachur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s it, MB. How many colleges Palin attended isn&#039;t the issue. It&#039;s what she did while she was at those colleges, and PTA president, and mayor, and governor, that goes to her judgment. I&#039;m sure she was a fine PTA president, but her performance elsewhere has shown poor, poor judgement. 

Same with McCain. I don&#039;t care where he finished in his class or how old he is. I care about what he will do if elected President for the next four years. And his choosing Palin is one of many examples of very, very poor judgment on his part. 

Candidate McCain&#039;s poor judgment doesn&#039;t have many ramifications. But a President McCain has access to the red button and all of the other responsibilities of the office. I don&#039;t want a hot-headed man who has consistently shown poor judgment anywhere near that button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s it, MB. How many colleges Palin attended isn&#8217;t the issue. It&#8217;s what she did while she was at those colleges, and PTA president, and mayor, and governor, that goes to her judgment. I&#8217;m sure she was a fine PTA president, but her performance elsewhere has shown poor, poor judgement. </p>
<p>Same with McCain. I don&#8217;t care where he finished in his class or how old he is. I care about what he will do if elected President for the next four years. And his choosing Palin is one of many examples of very, very poor judgment on his part. </p>
<p>Candidate McCain&#8217;s poor judgment doesn&#8217;t have many ramifications. But a President McCain has access to the red button and all of the other responsibilities of the office. I don&#8217;t want a hot-headed man who has consistently shown poor judgment anywhere near that button.</p>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, Bubby, I think a goodly number of people would say yes to President Palin.  They say yes to her for the same reason they say yes to Hummers, cheap Wal-mart goods, and interest-only mortgages.  There&#039;s no sense of tomorrow&#039;s consequence beyond today&#039;s satisfaction.  And the suggestion that they might want to consider that is met with exactly the kind of reaction you get when you suggest that none of those choices are very good ones - you&#039;re an elitist bastard and they double down.

~

But all this discussion of Palin should serve to highlight what phenomenally warped judgment McCain has.  Even if you take everything that&#039;s come out in the *very best light*, McCain comes off either a deeply cynical man willing to risk the country for his electoral gain or he is recklessly uninformed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, Bubby, I think a goodly number of people would say yes to President Palin.  They say yes to her for the same reason they say yes to Hummers, cheap Wal-mart goods, and interest-only mortgages.  There&#8217;s no sense of tomorrow&#8217;s consequence beyond today&#8217;s satisfaction.  And the suggestion that they might want to consider that is met with exactly the kind of reaction you get when you suggest that none of those choices are very good ones &#8211; you&#8217;re an elitist bastard and they double down.</p>
<p>~</p>
<p>But all this discussion of Palin should serve to highlight what phenomenally warped judgment McCain has.  Even if you take everything that&#8217;s come out in the *very best light*, McCain comes off either a deeply cynical man willing to risk the country for his electoral gain or he is recklessly uninformed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The McCain Republicans have tickled Bush, and now we have the Navy&#039;s USS Mount Whitney sitting in Poti, Georgia an &quot;in your face&quot; demonstration for the Russians.  On board are 1000 American service members, pawns in a dangerous and unnecessary confrontation.  Sitting vulnerable in the middle of a fight that is not America&#039;s.  Beyond the question of why, I am am outraged by this cynical gamble with our best - the officers and crew that simply salute and say, &quot;yes sir&quot;.  

The thought that this confrontation, or many others to come would be Commanded by Sarah Palin, Snowbilly Commander in Chief; is an affront.  Not just to me, but to the men and women who must execute America&#039;s projection of force, and die trying.  It is OUR responsibility to give them the best and brightest.  

I&#039;m having none of this &quot;she&#039;s ready&quot; crap that the Republican Party is offering up.  You would think that after 8 years of George Bush fumbling his command Republicans would show a willingness to put America first, and give our fighting men and women the leader they deserve. 

Say it with me: President Sarah Palin. Commander in Chief...
and answer this:  Will you stand up for America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The McCain Republicans have tickled Bush, and now we have the Navy&#8217;s USS Mount Whitney sitting in Poti, Georgia an &#8220;in your face&#8221; demonstration for the Russians.  On board are 1000 American service members, pawns in a dangerous and unnecessary confrontation.  Sitting vulnerable in the middle of a fight that is not America&#8217;s.  Beyond the question of why, I am am outraged by this cynical gamble with our best &#8211; the officers and crew that simply salute and say, &#8220;yes sir&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The thought that this confrontation, or many others to come would be Commanded by Sarah Palin, Snowbilly Commander in Chief; is an affront.  Not just to me, but to the men and women who must execute America&#8217;s projection of force, and die trying.  It is OUR responsibility to give them the best and brightest.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m having none of this &#8220;she&#8217;s ready&#8221; crap that the Republican Party is offering up.  You would think that after 8 years of George Bush fumbling his command Republicans would show a willingness to put America first, and give our fighting men and women the leader they deserve. </p>
<p>Say it with me: President Sarah Palin. Commander in Chief&#8230;<br />
and answer this:  Will you stand up for America?</p>
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		<title>By: Duane Gran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane Gran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More Americans probably identify with a patchwork of educational experience than the increasingly uncommon straight four year college experience.  I would be interested to know if her experience moving between schools gives her more insight into the challenge often faced by students in the 21st century.

I honestly don&#039;t know what the answer is, but it may not be as much of a liability as it seems on the surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Americans probably identify with a patchwork of educational experience than the increasingly uncommon straight four year college experience.  I would be interested to know if her experience moving between schools gives her more insight into the challenge often faced by students in the 21st century.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know what the answer is, but it may not be as much of a liability as it seems on the surface.</p>
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