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	<title>Comments on: Governor Bolling: Good for Virginia Democrats.</title>
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		<title>By: MB</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20769</link>
		<dc:creator>MB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quick quibble - should we be talking about complacency, rather than confidence?  Tis a distinction with a difference, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quick quibble &#8211; should we be talking about complacency, rather than confidence?  Tis a distinction with a difference, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20764</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt that for some folks (like you and me), a Governor Bolling would be a visible reminder of success. But surely you&#039;ll agree that for the overwhelming majority of Democrats, they&#039;ll see it as a failure as surely as Republicans will see it as a victory. There&#039;s is a perception, one that I sense is wrong (but I&#039;ve never looked at any data), that there is a power of party incumbency w/r/t the Virginia governorship. With two consecutive Democratic governors, some folks are starting to get comfortable. Insofar as there is this perception of incumbency, having Bolling as governor will make Democrats fight harder to retain (or regain, depending on how you look at it) the seat in 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that for some folks (like you and me), a Governor Bolling would be a visible reminder of success. But surely you&#8217;ll agree that for the overwhelming majority of Democrats, they&#8217;ll see it as a failure as surely as Republicans will see it as a victory. There&#8217;s is a perception, one that I sense is wrong (but I&#8217;ve never looked at any data), that there is a power of party incumbency w/r/t the Virginia governorship. With two consecutive Democratic governors, some folks are starting to get comfortable. Insofar as there is this perception of incumbency, having Bolling as governor will make Democrats fight harder to retain (or regain, depending on how you look at it) the seat in 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenton</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20763</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the post:
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The biggest reason why I think that Governor Bolling would be good for Virginia Democrats is that we’re getting too big for our britches(1) [...] Urban Democrats are acting like we’ve got 60% of the electorate on board, (2) [...] Virginia Democrats need to understand that winning the governor’s seat is far from a sure thing. I can’t think of a better way to get that message across than actually losing that seat due to our own success in the form of Vice President Kaine.(3) [...] Kaine will go on to better things, and the DPVA will ultimately be better for it. (4)
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So your argument is VP Kaine would be good for the DPVA because currently,
(1) Democrats are too confident, and 
(2) Urban Democrats don&#039;t know that.

So therefore...
(3) VP Kaine giving the governor&#039;s mansion to Bolling would remind us that we are too confident. 

Leading to the result...
(4) Reminding Democrats that we are too confident is good for the party.

Thus...

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How, exactly, would selecting a product of the great urban Democratic wave for the Vice Presidency convince us that we’re too big for our britches?
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...while poorly phrased, questions contention #3. How would it get the message across to Urban Democrats that the governorship isn&#039;t a surefire deal?

An Obama victory with Kaine at his side will more than likely convince Virginia Democrats to be more confident than ever before, especially if Virginia is carried. I just don&#039;t believe that a victory for Virginia Democrats could ever translate into a tempering of Democratic confidence (or over-confidence). So what if Bill Bolling is governor? Tim Kaine is Vice President.

I&#039;m not saying picking Kaine would be bad for VA Dems. I contend the exact same impact - this being good for DPVA - but for the completely opposite reason. It&#039;s good because it will serve as a visible reminder of our success (regardless of the fact a Republican is governor), causing us to be more confident, and will keep us motivated for more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the post:</p>
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The biggest reason why I think that Governor Bolling would be good for Virginia Democrats is that we’re getting too big for our britches(1) [...] Urban Democrats are acting like we’ve got 60% of the electorate on board, (2) [...] Virginia Democrats need to understand that winning the governor’s seat is far from a sure thing. I can’t think of a better way to get that message across than actually losing that seat due to our own success in the form of Vice President Kaine.(3) [...] Kaine will go on to better things, and the DPVA will ultimately be better for it. (4)
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<p>So your argument is VP Kaine would be good for the DPVA because currently,<br />
(1) Democrats are too confident, and<br />
(2) Urban Democrats don&#8217;t know that.</p>
<p>So therefore&#8230;<br />
(3) VP Kaine giving the governor&#8217;s mansion to Bolling would remind us that we are too confident. </p>
<p>Leading to the result&#8230;<br />
(4) Reminding Democrats that we are too confident is good for the party.</p>
<p>Thus&#8230;</p>
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How, exactly, would selecting a product of the great urban Democratic wave for the Vice Presidency convince us that we’re too big for our britches?
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<p>&#8230;while poorly phrased, questions contention #3. How would it get the message across to Urban Democrats that the governorship isn&#8217;t a surefire deal?</p>
<p>An Obama victory with Kaine at his side will more than likely convince Virginia Democrats to be more confident than ever before, especially if Virginia is carried. I just don&#8217;t believe that a victory for Virginia Democrats could ever translate into a tempering of Democratic confidence (or over-confidence). So what if Bill Bolling is governor? Tim Kaine is Vice President.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying picking Kaine would be bad for VA Dems. I contend the exact same impact &#8211; this being good for DPVA &#8211; but for the completely opposite reason. It&#8217;s good because it will serve as a visible reminder of our success (regardless of the fact a Republican is governor), causing us to be more confident, and will keep us motivated for more.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20762</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How, exactly, would selecting a product of the great urban Democratic wave for the Vice Presidency convince us that we’re too big for our britches? What does that mean?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It wouldn&#039;t. That&#039;s the opposite of what I said. :) Give &#039;er another read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How, exactly, would selecting a product of the great urban Democratic wave for the Vice Presidency convince us that we’re too big for our britches? What does that mean?</p></blockquote>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t. That&#8217;s the opposite of what I said. :) Give &#8216;er another read.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenton</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20761</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How, exactly, would selecting a product of the great urban Democratic wave for the Vice Presidency convince us that we&#039;re too big for our britches? What does that mean?

This argument might make sense if it were made for Mark Warner, who won on the basis of his unprecedented strength in rural areas. Tim Kaine, however, won by stitching together a majority in urban Virginia and steamrolling the rest of the state. Warner scratched out wins in places like Franklin and Appomattox Counties, places where Kilgore wiped the floor with Kaine. Kaine is the governor that, if anything, shows the increasing power of urban Virginia.

If anything, the ascension of the first victory by force of urban Democrats to one heartbeat away from leader of the free world would do nothing except convince us in liberal population centers that we&#039;re doing rather well. Losing the seat to Bolling will be a minor ripple should Kaine be elected Vice President, a feat that far outweighs the lucky rise of a lieutenant governor. Democrats will not be suddenly whipped into quaking in their boots if the presidency is theirs.

Even if losing the governorship for a year would be a good thing, even if it splashes Virginia Democrats with a bucket of cold water, it will all be far outweighed by the event which would have caused it--actually winning the presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How, exactly, would selecting a product of the great urban Democratic wave for the Vice Presidency convince us that we&#8217;re too big for our britches? What does that mean?</p>
<p>This argument might make sense if it were made for Mark Warner, who won on the basis of his unprecedented strength in rural areas. Tim Kaine, however, won by stitching together a majority in urban Virginia and steamrolling the rest of the state. Warner scratched out wins in places like Franklin and Appomattox Counties, places where Kilgore wiped the floor with Kaine. Kaine is the governor that, if anything, shows the increasing power of urban Virginia.</p>
<p>If anything, the ascension of the first victory by force of urban Democrats to one heartbeat away from leader of the free world would do nothing except convince us in liberal population centers that we&#8217;re doing rather well. Losing the seat to Bolling will be a minor ripple should Kaine be elected Vice President, a feat that far outweighs the lucky rise of a lieutenant governor. Democrats will not be suddenly whipped into quaking in their boots if the presidency is theirs.</p>
<p>Even if losing the governorship for a year would be a good thing, even if it splashes Virginia Democrats with a bucket of cold water, it will all be far outweighed by the event which would have caused it&#8211;actually winning the presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim E-H</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20757</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim E-H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, you&#039;ve convinced me that Kaine getting the nod wouldn&#039;t be as bad as I was thinking, though the bump from being an incumbent, even for a year, is nothing to sneeze at.

The other knock on Kaine in the convention wisdom is that he lacks &quot;experience,&quot; since he&#039;s a not quite one-term governor. The people who say that never seem to mention it when they&#039;re talking about Warner, so I don&#039;t put much stock in it, but it seems worth mentioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, you&#8217;ve convinced me that Kaine getting the nod wouldn&#8217;t be as bad as I was thinking, though the bump from being an incumbent, even for a year, is nothing to sneeze at.</p>
<p>The other knock on Kaine in the convention wisdom is that he lacks &#8220;experience,&#8221; since he&#8217;s a not quite one-term governor. The people who say that never seem to mention it when they&#8217;re talking about Warner, so I don&#8217;t put much stock in it, but it seems worth mentioning.</p>
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		<title>By: ajc</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20756</link>
		<dc:creator>ajc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another possibility comes under a Warner VP selection.

If Obama picks Warner, then Kaine goes for the Senate seat, and the Bolling domino scenario you describe goes into full effect.

Harry Reid might not like the potential loss of his #1 sure bet pickup, but Warner would be a stronger pick.

Please note also that a Webb selection would have much the same effect.  With Kaine appointing himself to that seat and giving the gov to bolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another possibility comes under a Warner VP selection.</p>
<p>If Obama picks Warner, then Kaine goes for the Senate seat, and the Bolling domino scenario you describe goes into full effect.</p>
<p>Harry Reid might not like the potential loss of his #1 sure bet pickup, but Warner would be a stronger pick.</p>
<p>Please note also that a Webb selection would have much the same effect.  With Kaine appointing himself to that seat and giving the gov to bolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivian J. Paige</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20755</link>
		<dc:creator>Vivian J. Paige</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. BTW - I understand that Bolling &amp; McDonnell have a deal in place: should Bolling be elevated to Governor, McDonnell will run for re-election as AG while Bolling seeks to be governor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. BTW &#8211; I understand that Bolling &amp; McDonnell have a deal in place: should Bolling be elevated to Governor, McDonnell will run for re-election as AG while Bolling seeks to be governor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson Landers</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20754</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, amen. I&#039;m entirely in favor of Bill Bolling as Governor under this scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, amen. I&#8217;m entirely in favor of Bill Bolling as Governor under this scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Uphoff</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20753</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Uphoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waldo, please check your messages: Obama wants to adopt that fostered kitten as his running mate.  Something about the election starting to look as close as a whisker...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waldo, please check your messages: Obama wants to adopt that fostered kitten as his running mate.  Something about the election starting to look as close as a whisker&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: F.T. Rea</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/08/governor-bolling-benefits/#comment-20752</link>
		<dc:creator>F.T. Rea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tradition has it that Virginia governors don&#039;t play at national politics while in office. 

For that reason, and a few others, all along I&#039;ve seen Kaine as a decoy to deflect attention from those actually being considered. If I&#039;m right, I expect Kaine has known that all along. 

However, your scenario might work. Other astute observers have said much the same thing. But it could backfire. Meanwhile, the publicity over Kaine&#039;s chances hasn&#039;t hurt anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tradition has it that Virginia governors don&#8217;t play at national politics while in office. </p>
<p>For that reason, and a few others, all along I&#8217;ve seen Kaine as a decoy to deflect attention from those actually being considered. If I&#8217;m right, I expect Kaine has known that all along. </p>
<p>However, your scenario might work. Other astute observers have said much the same thing. But it could backfire. Meanwhile, the publicity over Kaine&#8217;s chances hasn&#8217;t hurt anything.</p>
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