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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19854</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t feed the trolls.</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19853</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have an excellent time debating yourself.  You type a paragraph, and then ask me why I think something that YOU wrote.

When you actually want ask me about what I write, let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have an excellent time debating yourself.  You type a paragraph, and then ask me why I think something that YOU wrote.</p>
<p>When you actually want ask me about what I write, let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19851</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 06:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, out of curiosity, do you think it&#039;s a problem for your argument in defense of the RPV that an increasing number of Virginians every year is voting against your party?  Isn&#039;t it both arrogant and self-defeating, in the face of year after year of consecutive Democratic gains, to basically blame the voter?  You don&#039;t credit the Democrats for running good campaigns or having a functional message or agenda that is winning voter approval, and you all don&#039;t accept any accountability for losing all these elections, either.  It seems like by default, the only remaining explanation you have are that Virginians are too stupid to make what you see as an obvious choice.  It further seems like voters shouldn&#039;t respond well to you if you&#039;re going to think they&#039;re stupid, which is only going to make matters worse for you.

But I&#039;m being argumentative, when I meant to ask a question: why do you think blaming the voter is a winning strategy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, out of curiosity, do you think it&#8217;s a problem for your argument in defense of the RPV that an increasing number of Virginians every year is voting against your party?  Isn&#8217;t it both arrogant and self-defeating, in the face of year after year of consecutive Democratic gains, to basically blame the voter?  You don&#8217;t credit the Democrats for running good campaigns or having a functional message or agenda that is winning voter approval, and you all don&#8217;t accept any accountability for losing all these elections, either.  It seems like by default, the only remaining explanation you have are that Virginians are too stupid to make what you see as an obvious choice.  It further seems like voters shouldn&#8217;t respond well to you if you&#8217;re going to think they&#8217;re stupid, which is only going to make matters worse for you.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m being argumentative, when I meant to ask a question: why do you think blaming the voter is a winning strategy?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19847</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farther to the right on what?  Put some actual issues to your &quot;farther to the right&quot; test.  Democrats take money out of transportation and then raise the gas tax?  

I think opposing that kind of nonsense deserves to be opposed, don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farther to the right on what?  Put some actual issues to your &#8220;farther to the right&#8221; test.  Democrats take money out of transportation and then raise the gas tax?  </p>
<p>I think opposing that kind of nonsense deserves to be opposed, don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19846</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think it’s desirable or even possible for a bipartisan body to govern with an interest greater than that of the majority party?  Do you believe that for Republicans to regain control of the General Assembly, Webb’s seat, the governorship, etc., they must move farther to the right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think it’s desirable or even possible for a bipartisan body to govern with an interest greater than that of the majority party?  Do you believe that for Republicans to regain control of the General Assembly, Webb’s seat, the governorship, etc., they must move farther to the right?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19845</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democratic budget raised taxes, raided transportation spending and lottery funds.  I don&#039;t think opposing that will get a single Republican in trouble.

However, many of the Democrats who won last November promising how  &quot;fiscally conservative&quot; they are (ahem, ahem) just may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democratic budget raised taxes, raided transportation spending and lottery funds.  I don&#8217;t think opposing that will get a single Republican in trouble.</p>
<p>However, many of the Democrats who won last November promising how  &#8220;fiscally conservative&#8221; they are (ahem, ahem) just may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19844</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you roll over and do whatever the Democrats want, you&#039;re &quot;collegial&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re telling me that with a Republican majority in the Senate and the House, the Republicans&#039; willingness to work with their colleagues towards a goal that more than a bare partisan majority could support was &quot;rolling over and doing whatever the Democrats wanted?&quot; Do you think it&#039;s desirable or even possible for a bipartisan body to govern with an interest greater than that of the majority party?

Brian, do you believe that for Republicans to regain control of the General Assembly, Webb&#039;s seat, the governorship, etc., they must move farther to the right? I suspect I know the answer to this question already, but it&#039;s worth asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you roll over and do whatever the Democrats want, you&#8217;re &#8220;collegial&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re telling me that with a Republican majority in the Senate and the House, the Republicans&#8217; willingness to work with their colleagues towards a goal that more than a bare partisan majority could support was &#8220;rolling over and doing whatever the Democrats wanted?&#8221; Do you think it&#8217;s desirable or even possible for a bipartisan body to govern with an interest greater than that of the majority party?</p>
<p>Brian, do you believe that for Republicans to regain control of the General Assembly, Webb&#8217;s seat, the governorship, etc., they must move farther to the right? I suspect I know the answer to this question already, but it&#8217;s worth asking.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Kirwin</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19843</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Kirwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 22:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;With the most collegial Republicans largely retired&quot;

I love that.  If you roll over and do whatever the Democrats want, you&#039;re &quot;collegial&quot;

Every Senate Democrat voted the opposite way that the Senate Republicans did.  Are there no &quot;collegial&quot; Democrats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With the most collegial Republicans largely retired&#8221;</p>
<p>I love that.  If you roll over and do whatever the Democrats want, you&#8217;re &#8220;collegial&#8221;</p>
<p>Every Senate Democrat voted the opposite way that the Senate Republicans did.  Are there no &#8220;collegial&#8221; Democrats?</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19842</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I see a gaping hole in your logic. Political outcomes do not always follow nicely drawn trend lines.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well &lt;em&gt;duh&lt;/em&gt;. :) Any forecast of what is to come is contingent on knowledge of what has taken place thus far and limited to the ability to project what will happen if current trends follow past trends. What you&#039;re saying here is that sometimes bad, unexpected stuff happens and that will change stuff. Well, yeah. But if the RPV is banking on Mark Warner being caught with a live boy or a dead hooker, that&#039;s really not much of a strategy, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I see a gaping hole in your logic. Political outcomes do not always follow nicely drawn trend lines.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well <em>duh</em>. :) Any forecast of what is to come is contingent on knowledge of what has taken place thus far and limited to the ability to project what will happen if current trends follow past trends. What you&#8217;re saying here is that sometimes bad, unexpected stuff happens and that will change stuff. Well, yeah. But if the RPV is banking on Mark Warner being caught with a live boy or a dead hooker, that&#8217;s really not much of a strategy, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19841</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Joe -- thanks for the correction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Joe &#8212; thanks for the correction.</p>
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		<title>By: hoobie</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19840</link>
		<dc:creator>hoobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the GOP offers up a SoCon zealot like Bob Marshall as a candidate you gotta believe they have completely lot touch with reality. Stop pandering to Christian fundies and get back in the game. The culture wars are over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the GOP offers up a SoCon zealot like Bob Marshall as a candidate you gotta believe they have completely lot touch with reality. Stop pandering to Christian fundies and get back in the game. The culture wars are over.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19839</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should that be &quot;...Ever farther &lt;i&gt;from&lt;/i&gt; the center they go...&quot; in the last paragraph?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should that be &#8220;&#8230;Ever farther <i>from</i> the center they go&#8230;&#8221; in the last paragraph?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Tyler Ballance</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2008/02/rise-fall-rpv/#comment-19838</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Tyler Ballance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see a gaping hole in your logic. Political outcomes do not always follow nicely drawn trend lines. All it will take for Republicans to reclaim the Senate is for a few dopey, well-publicized votes by one or two Senate Democrats. John Miller, a man whom I greatly admire for his integrity, sits on a razor&#039;s edge in the First District. His conservative majority district is watching his every vote, like eagles stalking prey. They are waiting to see if John Miller, who ran as a conservative Democrat, delivers on the campaign promise to work with folks on both sides of the aisle to find real solutions to the problems that we face. Here&#039;s a hint: Universal Pre-K is not a &quot;solution&quot; that the People thirst for. We need jobs, solid transportation infrastructure, relief from these out of control energy costs, etc. Pre-K is way off most people&#039;s radar.

I have written many times that Virginians prefer their politics blended. Our citizens care less about Party labels, and base their decisions on local issues and the local personalities who cast their hats in the political ring. As a consequence, you have men like me who champion a return to a more limited, Constitutional based form of government, yet I can sometimes support positions by men I consider to be &quot;good Democrats&quot; like, Creigh Deeds and John Miller.

However, do not count the GOP out, so soon. To use a sports analogy, my Republican Party has a very deep bench. The Virginia GOP has so many talented emerging political leaders, the citizens are often faced with choices between three to five superb candidates in the local primary. With the exception of Novaville, the Democrats are hard pressed to find a single man to run for each House seat. 

One of many areas where we both agree, is that my Republican Party seems to be courting disaster when they select candidates who lack broad appeal. I see the use of a Convention system, in lieu of a primary, to be a form of retreat. I still believe that Republican candidates have more of the qualities and champion the core beliefs shared by the vast majority of Virginians, yet when we nominate via convention, we tend to pick candidates with too narrow an appeal to succeed in the general election (unless, as in the case of the recent First District House  race, the district is heavily gerrymandered in our favor).

While it is fun to watch and debate the meaning of apparent trends, here in Virginia, all it takes is for a politician to take an anti-civil libertarian stand, as George Allen did with regard to domestic spying, and millions of libertarian-leaning citizens will withdraw their support. It therefore behooves politicians, whether they have a D or R next to their names, to remember that their first priority must be enhancing the liberty of our citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a gaping hole in your logic. Political outcomes do not always follow nicely drawn trend lines. All it will take for Republicans to reclaim the Senate is for a few dopey, well-publicized votes by one or two Senate Democrats. John Miller, a man whom I greatly admire for his integrity, sits on a razor&#8217;s edge in the First District. His conservative majority district is watching his every vote, like eagles stalking prey. They are waiting to see if John Miller, who ran as a conservative Democrat, delivers on the campaign promise to work with folks on both sides of the aisle to find real solutions to the problems that we face. Here&#8217;s a hint: Universal Pre-K is not a &#8220;solution&#8221; that the People thirst for. We need jobs, solid transportation infrastructure, relief from these out of control energy costs, etc. Pre-K is way off most people&#8217;s radar.</p>
<p>I have written many times that Virginians prefer their politics blended. Our citizens care less about Party labels, and base their decisions on local issues and the local personalities who cast their hats in the political ring. As a consequence, you have men like me who champion a return to a more limited, Constitutional based form of government, yet I can sometimes support positions by men I consider to be &#8220;good Democrats&#8221; like, Creigh Deeds and John Miller.</p>
<p>However, do not count the GOP out, so soon. To use a sports analogy, my Republican Party has a very deep bench. The Virginia GOP has so many talented emerging political leaders, the citizens are often faced with choices between three to five superb candidates in the local primary. With the exception of Novaville, the Democrats are hard pressed to find a single man to run for each House seat. </p>
<p>One of many areas where we both agree, is that my Republican Party seems to be courting disaster when they select candidates who lack broad appeal. I see the use of a Convention system, in lieu of a primary, to be a form of retreat. I still believe that Republican candidates have more of the qualities and champion the core beliefs shared by the vast majority of Virginians, yet when we nominate via convention, we tend to pick candidates with too narrow an appeal to succeed in the general election (unless, as in the case of the recent First District House  race, the district is heavily gerrymandered in our favor).</p>
<p>While it is fun to watch and debate the meaning of apparent trends, here in Virginia, all it takes is for a politician to take an anti-civil libertarian stand, as George Allen did with regard to domestic spying, and millions of libertarian-leaning citizens will withdraw their support. It therefore behooves politicians, whether they have a D or R next to their names, to remember that their first priority must be enhancing the liberty of our citizens.</p>
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