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		<title>By: Bubby</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18418</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an American in the vast majority who agree that Mr. Bush has proven himself incapable of managing the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, I&#039;m much more concerned about the his current disaster in Iraq.  The cause can await a full investigation and hearings when we end the occupation of Iraq...hmmmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an American in the vast majority who agree that Mr. Bush has proven himself incapable of managing the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, I&#8217;m much more concerned about the his current disaster in Iraq.  The cause can await a full investigation and hearings when we end the occupation of Iraq&#8230;hmmmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Sheridan</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18414</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Sheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all I apologize for my choppy syntax in my post last night, I was multi-tasking  . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all I apologize for my choppy syntax in my post last night, I was multi-tasking  . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Sheridan</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18413</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Sheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a supper majority of Republicans(68%)do not believe in the theory of evolution, it&#039;s nice to see you&#039;re sure about something.

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27847</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a supper majority of Republicans(68%)do not believe in the theory of evolution, it&#8217;s nice to see you&#8217;re sure about something.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27847">http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=27847</a></p>
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		<title>By: Judge Smails</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18412</link>
		<dc:creator>Judge Smails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Democrats evenly divided about whether Bush knew about 9/11 in advance, it&#039;s nice to see you&#039;re sure about something.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Democrats evenly divided about whether Bush knew about 9/11 in advance, it&#8217;s nice to see you&#8217;re sure about something.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jon Sheridan</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18411</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Sheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;disputed, theoretical, in-the-future environmental catastrophe&quot;

?

Hmmmm, Global Warming is not &quot;disputed, or theoretical&quot;, it is an observation. The following diverse and numerous empirical observations lead us to the unequivocal conclusion that the earth is warming:

CRU temperature trend:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/

NASA GISS temperature trend:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

Satellite readings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements

Radiosondes:

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/temp/angell/angell.html

Borehole analysis:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/pollack.html

Glacial melt observations:

http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=129

Sea ice melt:

http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928_trendscontinue.html

Sea level rise:

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/

Proxy Reconstructions:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html

Permafrost is thawing:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18725124.500

All of these completely independent analyses of widely varied aspects of the climate system lead to the same conclusion: the Earth is undergoing a rapid and large warming trend.

This evidence leads us looking for an answer why?  Well there is the undisputed fact that C02 levels are rising.  And happen to know exactly where that &quot;new&quot; C02 comes from because of &quot;molecular fingerprinting&quot;.  

And as a result of modern spectral analyses we know exactly what that C02 does in the atmosphere. 

We are looking a spectrum of threats from GW, the easy to understand of them, like drought, could seriously diminish our ability to make food. 

The worst of them are absolute catastrophic, are you really willing to throw the dice?

By the way do you know that almost 2/3&#039;s of our country is in some form of drought right now?

http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;disputed, theoretical, in-the-future environmental catastrophe&#8221;</p>
<p>?</p>
<p>Hmmmm, Global Warming is not &#8220;disputed, or theoretical&#8221;, it is an observation. The following diverse and numerous empirical observations lead us to the unequivocal conclusion that the earth is warming:</p>
<p>CRU temperature trend:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/">http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/</a></p>
<p>NASA GISS temperature trend:</p>
<p><a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/</a></p>
<p>Satellite readings:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_temperature_measurements</a></p>
<p>Radiosondes:</p>
<p><a href="http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/temp/angell/angell.html">http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/temp/angell/angell.html</a></p>
<p>Borehole analysis:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/pollack.html">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/pollack.html</a></p>
<p>Glacial melt observations:</p>
<p><a href="http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html">http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=129">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=129</a></p>
<p>Sea ice melt:</p>
<p><a href="http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928_trendscontinue.html">http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928_trendscontinue.html</a></p>
<p>Sea level rise:</p>
<p><a href="http://sealevel.colorado.edu/">http://sealevel.colorado.edu/</a></p>
<p>Proxy Reconstructions:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/paleolast.html</a></p>
<p>Permafrost is thawing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18725124.500">http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18725124.500</a></p>
<p>All of these completely independent analyses of widely varied aspects of the climate system lead to the same conclusion: the Earth is undergoing a rapid and large warming trend.</p>
<p>This evidence leads us looking for an answer why?  Well there is the undisputed fact that C02 levels are rising.  And happen to know exactly where that &#8220;new&#8221; C02 comes from because of &#8220;molecular fingerprinting&#8221;.  </p>
<p>And as a result of modern spectral analyses we know exactly what that C02 does in the atmosphere. </p>
<p>We are looking a spectrum of threats from GW, the easy to understand of them, like drought, could seriously diminish our ability to make food. </p>
<p>The worst of them are absolute catastrophic, are you really willing to throw the dice?</p>
<p>By the way do you know that almost 2/3&#8217;s of our country is in some form of drought right now?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html">http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Judge Smails</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18410</link>
		<dc:creator>Judge Smails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fair point, Ben, to be sure, but I wasn&#039;t saying one shouldn&#039;t criticize the government&#039;s response - at the anniversary or any other time.  I&#039;m merely ridiculing tim&#039;s comparison of a disputed, theoretical, in-the-future environmental catastrophe with the undisputed, factual, clear and present danger a terrorist threat represents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fair point, Ben, to be sure, but I wasn&#8217;t saying one shouldn&#8217;t criticize the government&#8217;s response &#8211; at the anniversary or any other time.  I&#8217;m merely ridiculing tim&#8217;s comparison of a disputed, theoretical, in-the-future environmental catastrophe with the undisputed, factual, clear and present danger a terrorist threat represents.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben C.</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18409</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Finally, with regard to your theory about the Bush Administration dependent upon a coming catastrophe so they can read your e-mail (which, btw, Karl told me Dick was fascinated with) perhaps a few days after the 9/11 anniversary was not the best time for you to advance that point.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not like it&#039;s an &lt;a href=&quot;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j2WJxiw3YS7RFg9ufR_4m83uSOMg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;entirely unfounded view&lt;/a&gt;.  And personally, I see no problem in criticizing the government&#039;s response on the anniversary, much less several days after.  Criticising the government is not disrespecting those who died, nor is it disrespecting those who&#039;ve worked in the aftermath to make things better, with the exception of the administration itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Finally, with regard to your theory about the Bush Administration dependent upon a coming catastrophe so they can read your e-mail (which, btw, Karl told me Dick was fascinated with) perhaps a few days after the 9/11 anniversary was not the best time for you to advance that point.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s an <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j2WJxiw3YS7RFg9ufR_4m83uSOMg">entirely unfounded view</a>.  And personally, I see no problem in criticizing the government&#8217;s response on the anniversary, much less several days after.  Criticising the government is not disrespecting those who died, nor is it disrespecting those who&#8217;ve worked in the aftermath to make things better, with the exception of the administration itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Smails</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18408</link>
		<dc:creator>Judge Smails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ tim:

I&#039;m not familiar with &quot;Red State.&quot; Some sort of conservative blog I suppose?  If you frequent it, well then, good for you.  You&#039;re providing a service not unlike the one Publius and I attempt to provide in this liberal echo chamber.

As for changing my stance when directed to by Party HQ, I haven&#039;t received any of the talking points since Karl left the WH.  The whole operation&#039;s really gone to hell in a matter of weeks.  It&#039;s just me now - all alone.

Finally, with regard to your theory about the Bush Administration dependent upon a coming catastrophe so they can read your e-mail (which, btw, Karl told me Dick was fascinated with) perhaps a few days after the 9/11 anniversary was not the best time for you to advance that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ tim:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with &#8220;Red State.&#8221; Some sort of conservative blog I suppose?  If you frequent it, well then, good for you.  You&#8217;re providing a service not unlike the one Publius and I attempt to provide in this liberal echo chamber.</p>
<p>As for changing my stance when directed to by Party HQ, I haven&#8217;t received any of the talking points since Karl left the WH.  The whole operation&#8217;s really gone to hell in a matter of weeks.  It&#8217;s just me now &#8211; all alone.</p>
<p>Finally, with regard to your theory about the Bush Administration dependent upon a coming catastrophe so they can read your e-mail (which, btw, Karl told me Dick was fascinated with) perhaps a few days after the 9/11 anniversary was not the best time for you to advance that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubby</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18407</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll never understand Science by viewing it through lawyer glasses I Publius.  Research money may draw a scientist to a particular discipline, or subject, but s/he still has to pass peer review for reproducibility, and objectivity of findings through full disclosure. 

There are no procedural maneuvers, privileged communication, favorable judges, sympathetic juries / venues, quashed evidence, plea bargains, coached witnesses, or stare decisis et non quieta movere  -  in short, there is no hiding from the truth for a scientist (or those that push their beliefs into the arena).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll never understand Science by viewing it through lawyer glasses I Publius.  Research money may draw a scientist to a particular discipline, or subject, but s/he still has to pass peer review for reproducibility, and objectivity of findings through full disclosure. </p>
<p>There are no procedural maneuvers, privileged communication, favorable judges, sympathetic juries / venues, quashed evidence, plea bargains, coached witnesses, or stare decisis et non quieta movere  &#8211;  in short, there is no hiding from the truth for a scientist (or those that push their beliefs into the arena).</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18404</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IP,

If I may borrow your logic for just a sec&#039; :

Any President who&#039;s administration(domestic spying, patriot act, clandestine/indefinite incarceration, dear God I could go on for ever...) depends on the existence of a coming catastrophe should be viewed with skepticism.

Now follow the money.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IP,</p>
<p>If I may borrow your logic for just a sec&#8217; :</p>
<p>Any President who&#8217;s administration(domestic spying, patriot act, clandestine/indefinite incarceration, dear God I could go on for ever&#8230;) depends on the existence of a coming catastrophe should be viewed with skepticism.</p>
<p>Now follow the money&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Ben C.</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18403</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I. Publius,

To follow that logic, we should all be skeptical of Holocaust historians, because if the holocaust never took place, they&#039;d be out of a job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I. Publius,</p>
<p>To follow that logic, we should all be skeptical of Holocaust historians, because if the holocaust never took place, they&#8217;d be out of a job.</p>
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		<title>By: I.Publius</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18402</link>
		<dc:creator>I.Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bubby, you&#039;re unwittingly close to the most important truth in this debate:  always follow the money - especially when it comes to where scientists get their paycheck.  Anyone whose grant money (i.e., their livelihood, career track, prestige) depends on the existence of a coming catastrophy should be viewed with skepticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bubby, you&#8217;re unwittingly close to the most important truth in this debate:  always follow the money &#8211; especially when it comes to where scientists get their paycheck.  Anyone whose grant money (i.e., their livelihood, career track, prestige) depends on the existence of a coming catastrophy should be viewed with skepticism.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18401</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no attempt to squelch debate here Smails. Have any of your posts disappeared? Been edited? Have you been banned?
You must be confusing this with Redstate...where maintenance of the &#039;thin patina&#039; is Job One!

I have said it before and will say again, Smails, IP, etc.. will change their minds when they are told to do so. The day their party issues a new talking point accepting &#039;mans hamfisted acceleration&#039; of climate change, they will follow suit. Until that time, you would have more luck convincing an Oreo to commit suicide by dunking itself in a glass of icy cold milk.

Great, now I want a cookie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no attempt to squelch debate here Smails. Have any of your posts disappeared? Been edited? Have you been banned?<br />
You must be confusing this with Redstate&#8230;where maintenance of the &#8216;thin patina&#8217; is Job One!</p>
<p>I have said it before and will say again, Smails, IP, etc.. will change their minds when they are told to do so. The day their party issues a new talking point accepting &#8216;mans hamfisted acceleration&#8217; of climate change, they will follow suit. Until that time, you would have more luck convincing an Oreo to commit suicide by dunking itself in a glass of icy cold milk.</p>
<p>Great, now I want a cookie!</p>
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		<title>By: Bubby</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18400</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the rough-n-tumble world of Science JS.  You have to have legitimate credentials to play, ALL of your hypotheses will be tested, and peer-reviewed consensus always has an uncertainty &gt;0  - which is not the same as &quot;debatable&quot;.  Unlike politics, a lie twice repeated never equals the truth, and who pays for your research always figures into the scrutiny of your findings.

If climate change was only about the environment we wouldn&#039;t have an argument. But its about war,peace,economics,and the stability of civilization - things we always regulate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the rough-n-tumble world of Science JS.  You have to have legitimate credentials to play, ALL of your hypotheses will be tested, and peer-reviewed consensus always has an uncertainty &gt;0  &#8211; which is not the same as &#8220;debatable&#8221;.  Unlike politics, a lie twice repeated never equals the truth, and who pays for your research always figures into the scrutiny of your findings.</p>
<p>If climate change was only about the environment we wouldn&#8217;t have an argument. But its about war,peace,economics,and the stability of civilization &#8211; things we always regulate.</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Smails</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/09/northwest-passage-opens/#comment-18399</link>
		<dc:creator>Judge Smails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think a naked attempt to squelch debate is really in keeping with the spirit over here.  Although it does serve to lend credence to the notion that a lot of people advocating for radical regulation in the name of the environment are really just watermelons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think a naked attempt to squelch debate is really in keeping with the spirit over here.  Although it does serve to lend credence to the notion that a lot of people advocating for radical regulation in the name of the environment are really just watermelons.</p>
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