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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16042</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Dan Kachur:
 
If you could choose to feel the same amount of grief at every violent or tragic death, would you? Would you choose to feel a constant drip of sorrow that never increased even at the untimely loss of a loved one?

No, I don&#039;t think so. Clearly every death, and every tragic event is different. And there are many reasons why certain people feel more for the loss at VA Tech than in Iraq -- cultural dissimilarities, inability to identify, geographic separation, lack of kinship and friendship ties, shock and surprise... I&#039;m sure you could list a bunch more, just as I&#039;m sure that most Iraqis feel less grief over this tragedy than the tragedies in their country every day.

I suggest, if you don&#039;t want to elicit the &quot;F U&quot; response from those not predisposed to your position, that you stop denying the differences that are so obvious, and start explaining why they should not mean a difference in our sense of purpose to prevent future loss. An uncharitable reader would see your words as an attempt to co-opt our grief as anger towards George Bush&#039;s foreign policy. And even a charitable auditor could read Jonation&#039;s words as an indictment of anyone who feels particularly sympathetic towards the VA Tech tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dan Kachur:</p>
<p>If you could choose to feel the same amount of grief at every violent or tragic death, would you? Would you choose to feel a constant drip of sorrow that never increased even at the untimely loss of a loved one?</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t think so. Clearly every death, and every tragic event is different. And there are many reasons why certain people feel more for the loss at VA Tech than in Iraq &#8212; cultural dissimilarities, inability to identify, geographic separation, lack of kinship and friendship ties, shock and surprise&#8230; I&#8217;m sure you could list a bunch more, just as I&#8217;m sure that most Iraqis feel less grief over this tragedy than the tragedies in their country every day.</p>
<p>I suggest, if you don&#8217;t want to elicit the &#8220;F U&#8221; response from those not predisposed to your position, that you stop denying the differences that are so obvious, and start explaining why they should not mean a difference in our sense of purpose to prevent future loss. An uncharitable reader would see your words as an attempt to co-opt our grief as anger towards George Bush&#8217;s foreign policy. And even a charitable auditor could read Jonation&#8217;s words as an indictment of anyone who feels particularly sympathetic towards the VA Tech tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16040</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Montgomery County went for Jim Webb in November. Blacksburg played a big role in that. That&#039;s the &quot;conservative Christian town&quot; that is just &quot;full of guns,&quot; as one Australian media outlet reported. It was obvious that this reporter had never been to Virginia, much less Blacksburg, and for research had only interviewed two or three former Tech students who already had an agenda to push. I also get angry when I hear people bashing President Steger and campus police. And when I hear about Fred Phelps planning to protest at any memorial services he can find. Yes, it&#039;s better just to avoid the media for a few days, except for the Washington Post, which had a well-written albeit haunting narrative in today&#039;s paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Montgomery County went for Jim Webb in November. Blacksburg played a big role in that. That&#8217;s the &#8220;conservative Christian town&#8221; that is just &#8220;full of guns,&#8221; as one Australian media outlet reported. It was obvious that this reporter had never been to Virginia, much less Blacksburg, and for research had only interviewed two or three former Tech students who already had an agenda to push. I also get angry when I hear people bashing President Steger and campus police. And when I hear about Fred Phelps planning to protest at any memorial services he can find. Yes, it&#8217;s better just to avoid the media for a few days, except for the Washington Post, which had a well-written albeit haunting narrative in today&#8217;s paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16039</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t answer any of your questions, James, but I can say that I find the picture strange for all of the same reasons that you do.  It gets more arresting every time that I look at it.  He may have been the only person that I saw who appeared to have a sense of purpose.  Everybody else was in stages of shock, disappointment, sadness and confusion.  Here was a guy quite literally not going with the flow, looking sad but purposeful, looking straight at me (albeit from a considerably distance).

No TV for me, either.  It makes me angry.  I&#039;m dropping radio today, too.  That&#039;s after I listened to Laura Ingram explain yesterday that both Charlottesville and Blacksburg are part of the Bible belt, both conservative Christian towns, and thus it was inappropriate and quasi-terroristic to have an Islamic prayer at the convocation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t answer any of your questions, James, but I can say that I find the picture strange for all of the same reasons that you do.  It gets more arresting every time that I look at it.  He may have been the only person that I saw who appeared to have a sense of purpose.  Everybody else was in stages of shock, disappointment, sadness and confusion.  Here was a guy quite literally not going with the flow, looking sad but purposeful, looking straight at me (albeit from a considerably distance).</p>
<p>No TV for me, either.  It makes me angry.  I&#8217;m dropping radio today, too.  That&#8217;s after I listened to Laura Ingram explain yesterday that both Charlottesville and Blacksburg are part of the Bible belt, both conservative Christian towns, and thus it was inappropriate and quasi-terroristic to have an Islamic prayer at the convocation.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16038</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually find that top photo (which I believe is also on cville news) to be really disorienting and bizaare -- like, it&#039;s not a picture of a crowd of students, but it&#039;s very much a picture of THAT guy.  But who is that guy? Why is he walking so purposefully?  Why are you putting him in a context where he effectively becomes a visual representation of this tragedy?  it just gets weirder every time i look at it.

regarding the ensuing press coverage:  much like the world trade center bombing in 2001, i&#039;m &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; glad i don&#039;t own a TV right now. just reading about what happened in an AP report is hard enough; i really don&#039;t think I could handle TV news falling over themselves in a competition to see who can produce the most obscene coverage of this tragedy over and over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually find that top photo (which I believe is also on cville news) to be really disorienting and bizaare &#8212; like, it&#8217;s not a picture of a crowd of students, but it&#8217;s very much a picture of THAT guy.  But who is that guy? Why is he walking so purposefully?  Why are you putting him in a context where he effectively becomes a visual representation of this tragedy?  it just gets weirder every time i look at it.</p>
<p>regarding the ensuing press coverage:  much like the world trade center bombing in 2001, i&#8217;m <i>really</i> glad i don&#8217;t own a TV right now. just reading about what happened in an AP report is hard enough; i really don&#8217;t think I could handle TV news falling over themselves in a competition to see who can produce the most obscene coverage of this tragedy over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kachur</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16037</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kachur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 05:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smails, explain how the lives lost in Iraq are any less tragic than those in Blacksburg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smails, explain how the lives lost in Iraq are any less tragic than those in Blacksburg.</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Smails</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16036</link>
		<dc:creator>Judge Smails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Bubby:

We finally agree!  I&#039;m real sorry about your alma mater&#039;s tragedy.  Best Wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bubby:</p>
<p>We finally agree!  I&#8217;m real sorry about your alma mater&#8217;s tragedy.  Best Wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kuster</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16035</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Kuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waldo,

I think you missed the Hokie experience.  While I was there we had a longing to be more like Texas A&amp;M and develop some traditions.  Well, those have developed.  Tech has a collective conscience and I find it almost impossible to believe if a student wanted to feel like he belonging he could not find it.  There are more than 300 student groups, 90 majors.  Tech is huge but can also feel warm and friendly like old friends sharing stories because people at Tech care about everyone meshing together to be part of the greater collective whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waldo,</p>
<p>I think you missed the Hokie experience.  While I was there we had a longing to be more like Texas A&amp;M and develop some traditions.  Well, those have developed.  Tech has a collective conscience and I find it almost impossible to believe if a student wanted to feel like he belonging he could not find it.  There are more than 300 student groups, 90 majors.  Tech is huge but can also feel warm and friendly like old friends sharing stories because people at Tech care about everyone meshing together to be part of the greater collective whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16034</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Where is your burnt orange and harvard maroon son! You look like an outsider.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That photo isn&#039;t of me, though I can see that, given the text that follows, that&#039;s not obvious.  I photographed him &lt;em&gt;because&lt;/em&gt; he looked like an outsider, but also because he looked like he was bearing a burden that was written on the faces of few others in the crowd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Where is your burnt orange and harvard maroon son! You look like an outsider.</p></blockquote>
<p>That photo isn&#8217;t of me, though I can see that, given the text that follows, that&#8217;s not obvious.  I photographed him <em>because</em> he looked like an outsider, but also because he looked like he was bearing a burden that was written on the faces of few others in the crowd.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubby</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16033</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waldo: Where is your burnt orange and harvard maroon son! You look like an outsider.

I&#039;m a Hokie, and a longtime Blacksburg townie. Let me take a stab at the Hokie Nation thing. Tech is unique amongst Virginia universities and most other universities. 

1)Setting: VT is located in a small town in the most remote corner of the state on a 2000 ft. mountain plateau, surrounded on three sides by national forest with a natural beauty little changed in the last 100 years. An American Heritage River, the New River tumbles down from North Carolina Blue Ridge and flows west of the campus.  If you want cosmopolitan stay in town, if you want nature, walk out Toms Creek Road.  There are a handful of university settings like it, none in Virginia. 

2)Value: Tech offers a high quality education at a good price.  The university is gaining widespread recognition for the quality of that education, but thrifty education shoppers have known this since before the days of the GI bill, when veterans lived in shanties where Cassell Coliseum now stands.  The appreciation grows with time and experience.

3)Community: Tech is a blue-collar university. Our motto; &quot;Ut Prosim&quot; (That I  May Serve) depicts our education, our discipline, and our heritage. Sure we have rich kids, and trustfunders, but we don&#039;t know why they came here.  For the most part, our families share a common experience, work ethic, and financial means. Capability is valued above social position. 

4)Small Town: Blacksburg is Virginia&#039;s largest town. But it is still a town. The motto &quot;Citizens First&quot; is real. Townies have a sense of control and involvement in the affairs of Blacksburg.  The mayor, council members, and town staff are accessible on a first name basis, and most have direct connections to Virginia Tech. We love the youthful exuberance that springs eternal from the students.  The town attracts faculty, and retains capable graduates.

5)Experience: VT is at least half day drive from the front door of most student&#039;s home.  Which means you can&#039;t commute, you have to find your own way - beyond your parent&#039;s hover. You will bond with other students and share the same experience.  You will live in a safe community (Blacksburg)that revolves around the education experience. You will come of age.

6)The campus:  Compact, with inspiring Gothic-style dolomite stone buildings - Virginia Tech is an expensive gift from a hopeful Commonwealth to affirm a commitment to the aspirations of founder Thomas Jefferson when he endorsed &quot;general education, to enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom&quot;. We are real damn thankful. And we are real sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waldo: Where is your burnt orange and harvard maroon son! You look like an outsider.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Hokie, and a longtime Blacksburg townie. Let me take a stab at the Hokie Nation thing. Tech is unique amongst Virginia universities and most other universities. </p>
<p>1)Setting: VT is located in a small town in the most remote corner of the state on a 2000 ft. mountain plateau, surrounded on three sides by national forest with a natural beauty little changed in the last 100 years. An American Heritage River, the New River tumbles down from North Carolina Blue Ridge and flows west of the campus.  If you want cosmopolitan stay in town, if you want nature, walk out Toms Creek Road.  There are a handful of university settings like it, none in Virginia. </p>
<p>2)Value: Tech offers a high quality education at a good price.  The university is gaining widespread recognition for the quality of that education, but thrifty education shoppers have known this since before the days of the GI bill, when veterans lived in shanties where Cassell Coliseum now stands.  The appreciation grows with time and experience.</p>
<p>3)Community: Tech is a blue-collar university. Our motto; &#8220;Ut Prosim&#8221; (That I  May Serve) depicts our education, our discipline, and our heritage. Sure we have rich kids, and trustfunders, but we don&#8217;t know why they came here.  For the most part, our families share a common experience, work ethic, and financial means. Capability is valued above social position. </p>
<p>4)Small Town: Blacksburg is Virginia&#8217;s largest town. But it is still a town. The motto &#8220;Citizens First&#8221; is real. Townies have a sense of control and involvement in the affairs of Blacksburg.  The mayor, council members, and town staff are accessible on a first name basis, and most have direct connections to Virginia Tech. We love the youthful exuberance that springs eternal from the students.  The town attracts faculty, and retains capable graduates.</p>
<p>5)Experience: VT is at least half day drive from the front door of most student&#8217;s home.  Which means you can&#8217;t commute, you have to find your own way &#8211; beyond your parent&#8217;s hover. You will bond with other students and share the same experience.  You will live in a safe community (Blacksburg)that revolves around the education experience. You will come of age.</p>
<p>6)The campus:  Compact, with inspiring Gothic-style dolomite stone buildings &#8211; Virginia Tech is an expensive gift from a hopeful Commonwealth to affirm a commitment to the aspirations of founder Thomas Jefferson when he endorsed &#8220;general education, to enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom&#8221;. We are real damn thankful. And we are real sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Smails</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16032</link>
		<dc:creator>Judge Smails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck you, jonathan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck you, jonathan.</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16031</link>
		<dc:creator>jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops I sppeeled massacre wrong -- sorry

-- ex-republican</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops I sppeeled massacre wrong &#8212; sorry</p>
<p>&#8211; ex-republican</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what happened in blacksburg was really, really sad, but people are &quot;massacered&quot; in iraq and other parts of the world everyday. who really gives a $hit about them? we just need to keep things in perspective...

-- ex-republican</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what happened in blacksburg was really, really sad, but people are &#8220;massacered&#8221; in iraq and other parts of the world everyday. who really gives a $hit about them? we just need to keep things in perspective&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8211; ex-republican</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this posting, Waldo. This is the first report I have read outside of the main steam media and found it to be very refreshing.

I can&#039;t understand why CNN shows those same dumb clips; that heavy set police officer running down the street with an automatic weapon again, or cadets walking along the sidewalk, or a police woman jumping out of a police car, over and over and over. The mindless commentary makes a mockery of this tragedy.

I wonder, is this the kind of coverage that Americans really want to see?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this posting, Waldo. This is the first report I have read outside of the main steam media and found it to be very refreshing.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t understand why CNN shows those same dumb clips; that heavy set police officer running down the street with an automatic weapon again, or cadets walking along the sidewalk, or a police woman jumping out of a police car, over and over and over. The mindless commentary makes a mockery of this tragedy.</p>
<p>I wonder, is this the kind of coverage that Americans really want to see?</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/vt-four-scenes/#comment-16028</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Judge, that&#039;s the kind of thing I was talking about. I have no other school really to compare Tech to, but from talking to my friends who went to George Mason, UNC, even UVA, I always felt like there was something about being a Hokie that was different from being a student at most other schools. Sports commentators have said as much when they come to Tech. And it&#039;s also part of the reason why many non-Hokies think we&#039;re so obnoxious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Judge, that&#8217;s the kind of thing I was talking about. I have no other school really to compare Tech to, but from talking to my friends who went to George Mason, UNC, even UVA, I always felt like there was something about being a Hokie that was different from being a student at most other schools. Sports commentators have said as much when they come to Tech. And it&#8217;s also part of the reason why many non-Hokies think we&#8217;re so obnoxious.</p>
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		<title>By: Judge Smails</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judge Smails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never spent a significant amount of time in Blacksburg, and I&#039;m wary that I may be buying in to some of the sentimentality that&#039;s natural at a time like this, but there does seem to me to be something different about Va. Tech - something about being a &quot;Hokie.&quot;  

This post (not mine) from TheSabre.com - a UVA sports website - describes what I mean.

http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/general/2007/April/18/512765.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never spent a significant amount of time in Blacksburg, and I&#8217;m wary that I may be buying in to some of the sentimentality that&#8217;s natural at a time like this, but there does seem to me to be something different about Va. Tech &#8211; something about being a &#8220;Hokie.&#8221;  </p>
<p>This post (not mine) from TheSabre.com &#8211; a UVA sports website &#8211; describes what I mean.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/general/2007/April/18/512765.php">http://www.thesabre.com/message_board/general/2007/April/18/512765.php</a></p>
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