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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15924</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15890</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex, if you don&#039;t like the words that I use, stop reading them.   If you find the word &quot;crap&quot; so confusing and offensive to your tender eyes, cover them and flee, flee to the safety of your mother&#039;s arms!  &lt;em&gt;There there, Alex.  There, there.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex, if you don&#8217;t like the words that I use, stop reading them.   If you find the word &#8220;crap&#8221; so confusing and offensive to your tender eyes, cover them and flee, flee to the safety of your mother&#8217;s arms!  <em>There there, Alex.  There, there.</em></p>
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		<title>By: johnathanmaxfield</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15887</link>
		<dc:creator>johnathanmaxfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Waldo, I&#039;d like to know. How can you condone the language you use on these boards? Do you find it wrong that you use these vulgarities? What makes it OK for you to use them, and yet, when you&#039;re called on it, you make US out to be the bad guys?

I mean, I don&#039;t think these are difficult questions to answer and own up too. They are questions that demand a response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Waldo, I&#8217;d like to know. How can you condone the language you use on these boards? Do you find it wrong that you use these vulgarities? What makes it OK for you to use them, and yet, when you&#8217;re called on it, you make US out to be the bad guys?</p>
<p>I mean, I don&#8217;t think these are difficult questions to answer and own up too. They are questions that demand a response.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15886</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-15825&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Move on&lt;/a&gt;, Wes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-15825">Move on</a>, Wes.</p>
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		<title>By: Spank That Donkey</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15880</link>
		<dc:creator>Spank That Donkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waldo:
Why not clean up your &#039;potty keyboard&#039; and maybe you&#039;d have some room to talk!

http://www.spankthatdonkey.com/spankthatdonkey2/2007/2/6/when-bloggers-seek-to-intimidate.html

You don&#039;t have to go far to see what I am talking about:

&quot;Something about the internet and anonymity reveal people’s inner dickheads,&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waldo:<br />
Why not clean up your &#8216;potty keyboard&#8217; and maybe you&#8217;d have some room to talk!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spankthatdonkey.com/spankthatdonkey2/2007/2/6/when-bloggers-seek-to-intimidate.html">http://www.spankthatdonkey.com/spankthatdonkey2/2007/2/6/when-bloggers-seek-to-intimidate.html</a></p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to go far to see what I am talking about:</p>
<p>&#8220;Something about the internet and anonymity reveal people’s inner dickheads,&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Ward View &#187; Oh, Behave!</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15868</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ward View &#187; Oh, Behave!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Waldo talks about here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blacknell.net &#187; Blogger Code of Conduct? Bugger that.</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15851</link>
		<dc:creator>Blacknell.net &#187; Blogger Code of Conduct? Bugger that.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] off) conversation. And in many respects, I&#8217;m glad I did. I discovered good folks like Vivian, Waldo, and the Howling Latina. All great contributors to public life, I think. But I also discovered a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] off) conversation. And in many respects, I&#8217;m glad I did. I discovered good folks like Vivian, Waldo, and the Howling Latina. All great contributors to public life, I think. But I also discovered a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15838</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waldo - I think the treament of commenters is something that will be unique to each site.  At the very least, a blogger could post their own rules somewhere on their site, but to say that I&#039;m responsible for how people comment on my site is to make me responsible for the words of others and that&#039;s just not fair.  I may decide to keep an offensive comment up in order to refute it, I can not be held accountable for that offensive statement, yet this code requires that.  Should Verizon be held accountable for what people do with their internet account?  Should blogspot be held accountable for someone who blogs on it?  Why should I be held accountable for what someone says, especially if I don&#039;t agree with it.

Beyond that, this just seems like a way to create a table for the cool kids.  It&#039;s a way to show who&#039;s cool and who&#039;s not and limit readers starting to find blogs and thoughts for themselves.  How is this any different than someone creating an aggregator of only the &quot;best and brightest&quot; blogs as they call them and people taking that as the God&#039;s Honest Truth?  It&#039;s automatically limiting and creates a false impression of what blogging is about.

Who is the audience of this code?  The bloggers who already agree to it?  The readers who can form their own opinions?  Or the mainstream media that a good number of folks really want to please?

I just don&#039;t like the idea of voluntarily regulating ourselves with a written code that could very easily become the rough draft for actual legislation that limits the ability of respectable bloggers to blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waldo &#8211; I think the treament of commenters is something that will be unique to each site.  At the very least, a blogger could post their own rules somewhere on their site, but to say that I&#8217;m responsible for how people comment on my site is to make me responsible for the words of others and that&#8217;s just not fair.  I may decide to keep an offensive comment up in order to refute it, I can not be held accountable for that offensive statement, yet this code requires that.  Should Verizon be held accountable for what people do with their internet account?  Should blogspot be held accountable for someone who blogs on it?  Why should I be held accountable for what someone says, especially if I don&#8217;t agree with it.</p>
<p>Beyond that, this just seems like a way to create a table for the cool kids.  It&#8217;s a way to show who&#8217;s cool and who&#8217;s not and limit readers starting to find blogs and thoughts for themselves.  How is this any different than someone creating an aggregator of only the &#8220;best and brightest&#8221; blogs as they call them and people taking that as the God&#8217;s Honest Truth?  It&#8217;s automatically limiting and creates a false impression of what blogging is about.</p>
<p>Who is the audience of this code?  The bloggers who already agree to it?  The readers who can form their own opinions?  Or the mainstream media that a good number of folks really want to please?</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t like the idea of voluntarily regulating ourselves with a written code that could very easily become the rough draft for actual legislation that limits the ability of respectable bloggers to blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15825</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is like seeing an ex-girlfriend after three months and finding out not only that she&#039;s got a shrine to you in her bedroom, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=19&amp;entry_id=14783&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;she&#039;s cut all of the eyes out of the photos&lt;/a&gt;.  Y&#039;all got to move on with your lives, kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is like seeing an ex-girlfriend after three months and finding out not only that she&#8217;s got a shrine to you in her bedroom, but <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=19&#038;entry_id=14783">she&#8217;s cut all of the eyes out of the photos</a>.  Y&#8217;all got to move on with your lives, kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Spank That Donkey</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15818</link>
		<dc:creator>Spank That Donkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Waldo prefers the &#039;penis&#039;, now that fits his blogging style &#039;tighter than Dicks Hatband&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waldo prefers the &#8216;penis&#8217;, now that fits his blogging style &#8216;tighter than Dicks Hatband&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: johnmaxfield</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15817</link>
		<dc:creator>johnmaxfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I&#039;ve always thought about opening a saloon called the &quot;Stinky Pickle&quot;.

You wanna be my bartender?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#8217;ve always thought about opening a saloon called the &#8220;Stinky Pickle&#8221;.</p>
<p>You wanna be my bartender?</p>
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		<title>By: Kilo</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15816</link>
		<dc:creator>Kilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Something about the internet and anonymity reveal people’s inner dickheads&quot;

I cant believe you used that conjunction. I always thought you preferred penis.
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Something about the internet and anonymity reveal people’s inner dickheads&#8221;</p>
<p>I cant believe you used that conjunction. I always thought you preferred penis.<br />
:)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim McCormack</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15810</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim McCormack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate it when sites require registration for commenting -- I really don&#039;t want to go through the whole verifying-my-email-address rigmarole every time I come across some random blog post I want to discuss.

Of course, OpenID is a great solution for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate it when sites require registration for commenting &#8212; I really don&#8217;t want to go through the whole verifying-my-email-address rigmarole every time I come across some random blog post I want to discuss.</p>
<p>Of course, OpenID is a great solution for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Waldo Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15809</link>
		<dc:creator>Waldo Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Meh, a code is useless as it will only apply to those who already follow it. And the guidelines on comments, having such things shared and such won’t change the complaints of those who are already shut out by limited commenting arrangements. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I disagree with this, but for perhaps not a very good reason.  This is the same logic often applied to laws: the good people don&#039;t need &#039;em and the bad people won&#039;t follow &#039;em.  While accurate, we continue to self-regulate because the alternative (anarchy) isn&#039;t particularly attractive.

But I think that&#039;s a valid objection, one that I&#039;m sympathetic to, with a single exception that&#039;s brought up in the New York Times article.  A big part of the advantage of such a code of conduct is that it would make it socially acceptable to reign in the behavior of commenters.  There&#039;s no clear standard on when it&#039;s appropriate to ban somebody or to erase comments.  If we established some rules as to when those two acts are appropriate, then bloggers wouldn&#039;t need to fear blow-back when banning somebody or erasing comments within those guidelines.

&lt;blockquote&gt;1)There are crazy people blogging, leave them alone.
2)Don’t moderate a blog that cultivates crazy people.
3)When crazy people use your blog, you are responsible for them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

These are all very good rules, &lt;em&gt;especially&lt;/em&gt; the third.  When running a blog with comments, you&#039;re running a community.  If that community behaves badly it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;your fault&lt;/em&gt;.  If people tend to be rude, obsessive, nasty, or &lt;em&gt;commit crimes&lt;/em&gt;, then that&#039;s the fault of the person running the blog for failing to exercise proper control over his community.  (This is where things get awkward for those of us who run aggregators.)

IMHO, an enormous percentage of the social problems that spring from blogs could be avoided if more people understood and acted upon their supervisory roles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Meh, a code is useless as it will only apply to those who already follow it. And the guidelines on comments, having such things shared and such won’t change the complaints of those who are already shut out by limited commenting arrangements. </p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree with this, but for perhaps not a very good reason.  This is the same logic often applied to laws: the good people don&#8217;t need &#8216;em and the bad people won&#8217;t follow &#8216;em.  While accurate, we continue to self-regulate because the alternative (anarchy) isn&#8217;t particularly attractive.</p>
<p>But I think that&#8217;s a valid objection, one that I&#8217;m sympathetic to, with a single exception that&#8217;s brought up in the New York Times article.  A big part of the advantage of such a code of conduct is that it would make it socially acceptable to reign in the behavior of commenters.  There&#8217;s no clear standard on when it&#8217;s appropriate to ban somebody or to erase comments.  If we established some rules as to when those two acts are appropriate, then bloggers wouldn&#8217;t need to fear blow-back when banning somebody or erasing comments within those guidelines.</p>
<blockquote><p>1)There are crazy people blogging, leave them alone.<br />
2)Don’t moderate a blog that cultivates crazy people.<br />
3)When crazy people use your blog, you are responsible for them.</p></blockquote>
<p>These are all very good rules, <em>especially</em> the third.  When running a blog with comments, you&#8217;re running a community.  If that community behaves badly it&#8217;s <em>your fault</em>.  If people tend to be rude, obsessive, nasty, or <em>commit crimes</em>, then that&#8217;s the fault of the person running the blog for failing to exercise proper control over his community.  (This is where things get awkward for those of us who run aggregators.)</p>
<p>IMHO, an enormous percentage of the social problems that spring from blogs could be avoided if more people understood and acted upon their supervisory roles.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubby</title>
		<link>http://waldo.jaquith.org/blog/2007/04/blogger-code-conduct/#comment-15808</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the early days of Operation Iraqi Disaster, I engaged in some fact-based blog discussion with what can only be described as a hard-right, neo-fascist group of truly wacky self-described &quot;veterans&quot;, who took my dissention from the party line as a clear case of Treason, and Anti-Americanism.  These guys regaled one another with tales of violence against &quot;traitors&quot; in their former military units, and noted that I was one of those kind. 

At some point the moderator, a normally somewhat level person, decided to join the blog Goons, and Followers - by posting my name, address and description.  I guess he thought it would be fun to unchain the dogs.  What followed would curl your hair.  I was harrassed by email, phone, and eventually received anonymous letters at my home. I was physically threatened by people who indicated that they were willing and capable of harm.  Although the moderator had taken great care to hide his own identity, his efforts were flawed. When contacted directly he was shocked and frightened.  We agreed that the thread with my personal info would disappear immediately along with a message that the information and comments were wrong. The lessons I took from this:

1)There are crazy people blogging, leave them alone. 
2)Don&#039;t moderate a blog that cultivates crazy people.
3)When crazy people use your blog, you are responsible for them. 
4)Using a pseudonym allows you to(sometimes)protect crazy people from themselves, and their demons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the early days of Operation Iraqi Disaster, I engaged in some fact-based blog discussion with what can only be described as a hard-right, neo-fascist group of truly wacky self-described &#8220;veterans&#8221;, who took my dissention from the party line as a clear case of Treason, and Anti-Americanism.  These guys regaled one another with tales of violence against &#8220;traitors&#8221; in their former military units, and noted that I was one of those kind. </p>
<p>At some point the moderator, a normally somewhat level person, decided to join the blog Goons, and Followers &#8211; by posting my name, address and description.  I guess he thought it would be fun to unchain the dogs.  What followed would curl your hair.  I was harrassed by email, phone, and eventually received anonymous letters at my home. I was physically threatened by people who indicated that they were willing and capable of harm.  Although the moderator had taken great care to hide his own identity, his efforts were flawed. When contacted directly he was shocked and frightened.  We agreed that the thread with my personal info would disappear immediately along with a message that the information and comments were wrong. The lessons I took from this:</p>
<p>1)There are crazy people blogging, leave them alone.<br />
2)Don&#8217;t moderate a blog that cultivates crazy people.<br />
3)When crazy people use your blog, you are responsible for them.<br />
4)Using a pseudonym allows you to(sometimes)protect crazy people from themselves, and their demons.</p>
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